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Post by johnmwhite on Apr 16, 2012 19:25:07 GMT -5
We are hoping to have our first card this week, so please hurry and get signed up if you want to be a part of the fed.
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Post by Trash on Apr 16, 2012 21:17:47 GMT -5
I signed up, but so far it looks like the card will be JMW Vs Trash.
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Post by Blake Worship on Apr 25, 2012 16:38:55 GMT -5
Let it be known that this is not an "I told you so" or an angry retort, rather a simple wish to display the facts. ALL the facts. I hear everything you're saying JMW, but your story is one-sided. You said:
So now my attempts at reason are dialed down to mere complaints? For those who don't know, let's show my "complaints":
Although I'm positive no one will, I must still ask anyone who DOESN'T see where I was coming from to please speak up. I know I'm getting wordy and repititive, but I've been made to look like something I'm not while away, while the facts are one thread down. So in case no one knows, I'll continue. In the post I quoted you from you took the liberty to post what you said to me, but left out what I replied. Here:
Like I said before, by no means is this an "I told you so". Still, given the circumstances, can anyone really sit here and tell me I didn't know what I was talking about? This is a fed I've been RPing in for YEARS. It is because of my knowledge of this fed that I knew if there was any way this fed would ever revive itself, it wasn't going to happen the way you planned to do it, John. Say what you want about me, but for you to go far as judge my IN CHARACTER posts based on context and your supposed "rules" on how to RP, makes you look incredibly hypocritical. The same said of me, anyone else could say to YOU for how chose to impose your will upon the fed as you saw fit, telling yourself there was only one way to bring it back. You got mad because I wrapped up one angle to a possible RP feud in one post, ignoring the fact that your SAME EXACT character had already done the SAME EXACT thing to my IC wife TWICE ALREADY. If Blake Worship's spiel is, "I'm the best!", then JMW's is undoubtedly, "I kidnap Blake Worship's wife for fun." Why must I change if you won't? But because you had the "power" and didn't like it, I'm the one who gets banned?
Like I said, say what you will. But, as much as this fed's inactivity is an undeniable factor to it's apparent death, you would be unwise to fail to realize that you had just as much equal hand in killing it. If you don't see it, I can't help you. But what's done is done, and quite frankly, I called it. About FIVE months ago.
That being said, I'm all for revival and increasing the fun, wherever that might be. I, too, am forgiving and accept that everyone makes mistakes. The key is to learn from them. I've cast my bid in PPW, if that's where we'll be, and if so it will be a fresh start with a little bit of old but hopefully a whole lot of new. If REW can ever return, I'll forever be willing to help and will be more concentrated to humbling myself to that end. My only wish is that the ones summing up the reasons why REW eventually failed don't forget to toss themselves in with the rest as well.
In the end, we were all responsible, one way or another.
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Post by johnmwhite on Apr 25, 2012 18:11:18 GMT -5
All I hear is a lot of "I told you so" with a weaksauce "I'm not trying to make a big I told you so speech and show off" platitude smeared over the top of it. I appreciate this is your effort to play nice, but it doesn't cut it.
Long story short - I tried something to get the roster to move their ass. I tried it in character and people sat on their hands, so I thought desperate times call for desperate measures and tried to play hardball OOC. You personally didn't take it well, and it didn't work anyway. But I tried and I'm still trying, while all you're interested in is going over again how you do everything so right. You can say you told me so, but you didn't lift a finger to help this fed when given the opportunity.
The reason I had a problem with you supermaning your way out of everything in RP was not some power trip, it was the simple fact that you kept squandering chances to be active because you'd clearly rather be a big man who always wins. Starting feuds, even with tired old ideas like kidnapping, was at that point a lot better than nipping every possible story in the bud.
Besides, you weren't banned for underselling or no-selling or that sort of thing, you were banned because you wouldn't bother showing up for cards and you refused to apologise for it. You weren't the only one. This isn't all about you. If you're actually interested in humbling yourself and being a team player, I have yet to see it.
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Post by Blake Worship on Apr 25, 2012 21:54:06 GMT -5
Lol. Um ok. Like I said... say what you will. Something bothered you, that much is certain. Still, the fact remains that while I don't necessarily find fault in my behavior, I recognize that I could've done and approached things differently, which may or may not have been a difference-maker in the fate of this fed. On the other hand, you've done nothing but continue to spout off about what you did to help the fed as if you're just so sure it was the only and best way to go about things, without consulting anyone.
Without even paying attention to it your continuing to reply only further proves the point I've been trying to make since December.
As far as what I did to help this fed, as I said I admit a different approach may have been more successful, but please... don't offend me, sir. You tend to think rather narrowly which leads me to believe you'll say I'm once again stroking my ego with my next statement, but I assure you this is not a competition. That being said, T Money, Jayson Ray, Cloud Strife, Jaxson Kyzer, and yours truly... MADE this fed. Went stocks went down, we're the ones called upon to help bring things back. Because I'm great? Those words have never left my mouth OOC. No, because I know the nature of this fed.
9 out of 10 times, I don't have time for this fed. And yet, 7 out of those 9, I still come back. I don't always have time to post off-card, so I do my best to make up for that in my matches, and I have almost never no-shown an RP Event that I was actually aware of. And under your control, the few posts I create off-card get me suspended. If you don't like Blake's character, deal with that at home. But for all his talk, he still has losses under his belt, doesn't he? For whatever reason, my style of rant didn't suit you, and you banned me for it. I don't know what cards you're speaking of, but to my knowledge during the time of my most recent "return" there were no cards I didn't show for. And I don't feel like I should have to tell you this as I feel like someone with your extensive experience in this game should know, but ringers are scheduled for cards they don't even KNOW about ALL THE TIME. Just because someone heard through the grapevine that I MIGHT be back, doesn't make it so. I sincerely wish I could show for every single card my name appears on, but we don't always have all the time we want. So please, don't further offend me with this "you didn't lift a finger" bullshit, because I was here. No offense at all meant, but I'm pretty confident I give a lot more of a damn about fate of this fed, because it was made by myself and friends in the game and became something greater, and I loved that. Please don't challenge that. Anyway, it's a commissioner's job to make his federation welcoming. Instead you got nitpicky with me because I pulled the "I'm so great" angle in a fed that is my old stomping grounds. I did what I could with the time I had, I played the angle that made the most sense given my history with the fed, and I got nothing for it. Does it really make that little sense for one of this fed's two most winning World Champions to act like the guy who always wins? I mean, seriously? Being that guy is better than nothing, which is pretty much what you had then, if not certainly so now.
Look, keep in mind that I talk a lot, okay? This is all long-winded, I know. I couldn't help it if I tried. Still, my point is if you seriously stay stuck on what you didn't like and can't see where you could've switched things up on your part, then I really can't see what left I can say to you. Could I have stretched the kidnapping angle out a bit more? Sure I could've. But why should I? You and I BOTH know that shit is boring! Why not just have that be the start of something deeper, why couldn't you, the start of it all, keep it coming with something else even more crazy and unexpected? So what if I won then, who says it's over? I can only work with what you give me, and giving me "kidnapping" for the third time in our ringers' relationship isn't giving me a hell of a lot. Keep in mind, nothing RPed on my part was out of the realm of logic and was well within both Blake and Samantha's character (not that I'd expect you to know the full details, but that's fine). I've sold getting stabbed through the neck, I've sold getting nipples ripped off, I've sold my family being stalked and wife beaten and even somewhat abused. What's a kidnapping to me? It's nothing to work with, it's just that it's also nothing to work with. At the very least, why don't you, the guy with apparently much more time to devote to the uplifting of this fed, try sending a PM or something? Elaborate your angle... better yet, let's plan one out together. There are so many things that could've been done differently, and while I can account for my own transgressions I have to at least try to help you see yours, and yours really mattered.
It's not about me or you, a fed lives and dies by the collective efforts of its roster and staff. Still, I've been made to look like some pompous prick who doesn't give a damn about anyone else or this fed, and I don't appreciate that at all as it's the furthest thing from the truth. I'm not here to make friends, though I've made many. I'm not here to make enemies either, and assuming we're both coming from a good place then I'll always believe mutual understanding can be reached. I want to work to make wherever I am great, with whoever I have to work with to do so. It's simply hard to deal with your best efforts, time-permitting, being diminished and deemed unworthy. If you can't see my side that's fine, this is behind me now, I've spoken too much as it is. I only hope whatever mistakes we've all managed to catch, even if we aren't comfortable enough speak of them OOC, can be fixed and improved upon with the intent to make this PPW place great.
Come to me, truly and sincerely with all roles aside and same goal in mind, and I'll always show you a team player. I apologize if my relentless intent to prove a point somehow ever made that unclear. Let's move on positively from this, I hope.
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Post by johnmwhite on Apr 25, 2012 22:31:30 GMT -5
I did consult people. I asked for plenty of advice from the likes of Holiday and Sirius, and looked to Seth and Scotty for help as well. I've put up several threads over the past couple of years asking for ideas to encourage activity. My latest actions, the ones you wound up getting caught up in, were the end result of a lot of hard work yielding no results. Beyond that, I'm happy to accept we have grossly misunderstood each other and move on. Look forward to seeing you in PPW.
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Post by "Scarecrow" Jason Myst on May 28, 2012 19:04:53 GMT -5
I apologize if I have been gone for a long while, but I am back for awhile now and I don't plan on going anywhere. Trash your not the only one that wrote up so many characters hell I brought all mine into the fed at one time. So yeah I had a good many as well but I could probably do it again if I had the time to come up with their storyline's again.[/b][/size]
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Post by Trash on May 28, 2012 21:42:17 GMT -5
Shall we do a two man show then Myst?
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Post by "Scarecrow" Jason Myst on May 29, 2012 12:12:03 GMT -5
You want me and you to run a whole card by ourselves with our characters. Hmm I am in but I guess I will be pulling out my old characters out of retirement.[/b][/size]
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Post by Trash on May 29, 2012 21:01:20 GMT -5
haha might take a while if we use all our characters, I dont have that much time to post with my crappy job.
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